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Wednesday Oct 09, 2024
Wednesday Oct 09, 2024
In this captivating episode, Paul Harvey sits down with Gavin Fernie-Jones, a man whose life journey from the urban streets of Essex to the picturesque landscapes of the French Alps is nothing short of transformative. Join us as we delve into Gavin’s story, exploring his evolution from a reluctant child in the Peak District to a passionate advocate for sustainable living and community connection.
Gavin’s early life took an unexpected turn when his family moved to an isolated outdoor activity center in the Peak District. Initially resistant, Gavin soon found himself immersed in the beauty of nature, a shift that laid the foundation for his lifelong love of the outdoors. This connection to nature was further deepened during his college years, where he pursued art, and later, through his travels and experiences in the French Alps.
Now settled in the French Alps, Gavin has spent over two decades integrating his passion for outdoor activities with a growing awareness of the environmental impact of consumerism. His journey took a pivotal turn when he launched an outdoor clothing business, revealing the staggering levels of waste in the industry. This realization sparked a personal journey, and he started a community project that emphasizes repair, reuse, and conscious consumption.
Discover how Gavin’s initiative, One Tree at a Time, has led to a community-driven revolution where 75% of outdoor clothing in his village is repaired and reused. Learn about the Reaction Collective, an international movement empowering local communities to make a difference while having fun. Gavin shares his insights on living a life in harmony with nature, free from the constraints of consumer culture and societal pressures.
Towards the end of the episode, Gavin introduces us to Citizen Friday, a campaign encouraging individuals to share, repair, and get some fresh air as an alternative to the consumer frenzy of Black Friday. Listen in to find out how you can participate in this movement and make a meaningful impact in your own life.
This episode is more than just a conversation; it's a call to action. Join Paul and Gavin as they explore the profound shifts we can make in our lives and communities by embracing simplicity, sustainability, and the true essence of being a citizen of the world.
Further details about this podcast along with my Guest’s website and social links are all available at:
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There is a lot to gain from listening to other people’s stories, however the real work begins by taking action in your own life.
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Thursday Jul 18, 2024
Thursday Jul 18, 2024
Join me in an incredibly inspiring conversation with Marty Cornish, a man whose journey from a challenging childhood to becoming a thriving entrepreneur and mentor is nothing short of remarkable. Marty shares candid details about growing up in a dysfunctional environment, the struggles of moving between different schools, and the impact of having a stepfather battling heroin addiction.
Despite these hardships, Marty’s story is one of resilience and ambition. Discover how his entrepreneurial spirit blossomed early on, leading him to collect and sell golf balls as a kid, and how his determination propelled him into the military and later into the business world. Marty opens up about the role his grandparents played in providing stability and how reconnecting with his biological father helped him find peace.
Now, Marty's mission is to help others, especially men in their 30s, find their purpose and regain their self-confidence. Through his new Spartan Mindset program, he aims to guide others in overcoming adversity, cutting negative habits, and building a life they can be proud of. This episode is packed with valuable insights on mental health, the importance of self-belief, and the power of having a clear purpose in life.
Tune in to hear Marty’s heartfelt story and learn practical tips on how to navigate life's challenges and come out stronger on the other side. You won’t want to miss this!
Wednesday Jun 12, 2024
Wednesday Jun 12, 2024
Each of us is looking for a solution to heal our ailments and improve our lives. This podcast documents my health and wellness journey. Where would I be without Running and Yoga?
I was speaking to a client this week about the power of Eastern methodologies like Tai Chi and Qi Gong. I have experienced both and enjoyed them. That conversation stayed with me and reminded me of my conversation with Rich Morley.
As with all of these podcast conversations, they are timeless and worth a relisten.
If you are looking for focus coaching the link is here.
Rich Morley and the healing power of Tai Chi.
At 16 Rich Morley was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, by 30 he was medically retired and living on benefits, today he is fully recovered and supporting others to turn their own lives around. How did he do it? Through the healing power of Tai chi.
This remarkable story is a lesson in never giving up, even when the medical profession has given up on you. It is about discovering what is possible beyond medical intervention. And it is about harnessing the power of belief to turn your life around.
As our conversation unfolds, you will gain insight into the history and power of Tai chi, both as an aid to healing and as a martial art practice.
If you would like more information about Rich Morley you will find access to his website and social links along with my full text for this podcast at:
www.lifepassionandbusiness.com/rich-morley-the-healing-power-of-tai-chi
Life Passion & Business is dedicated to exploring what it takes to be Extraordinary, to face challenges and rejoice in the opportunities they bring, and expand our vision into new ways of thinking and living.
There is a lot to gain from listening to other people’s stories, however the real work begins by taking action in your own life.
For full details of Events, Resources and Services visit:
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Support For Podcasters:
Running a podcast is fun, but it takes time and dedication. Whenever you enjoy a podcast please share your appreciation with comments, likes, shares and reviews. It helps other listeners find good content and supports the content creators and their guests.
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Sunday Feb 11, 2024
Sunday Feb 11, 2024
Finding focus is the key to getting stuff done. But how do we do that in a society that has created a distracted industry? Because your phones have given you instant access to everything, and we live in a 24/7 society.
It has never been so difficult to isolate ourselves from those things that would have us blow off and fritter our time. In this podcast, we explore the problem and offer some solutions to that could see you getting stuff done.
Finding Focus is not easy.
Why is that? It is because our media is cultivating a distraction-based society. I can remember 50 years ago, sitting in my room doing my homework. The option for distraction was limited; perhaps I could read a book or doodles. But if I wanted to get out and see friends or watch TV with the family. The homework had to be finished.
The fact is our average attention span has been dropping. It is now around 47 seconds, and we can see this in how a film or drama series are cut. We can see this in the success of YouTube shorts and Tick-Tok reels.
Boring Stuff is hard to do.
When the work is boring or has the potential to trigger us into states of fear or worry, it is not surprising that we look for some distraction.
In this podcast, we look at the problems. We will consider the importance of managing our energy and use feelings and emotions to motivate us to finish the work. One of those tools is accountability; one of the keys to my homework completion all those years ago was accountability to those around me.
These powerful tools are part of the kit in focus coaching. If you have a project or something that you want to change or are finding some resistance check out this video.
Life Passion & Business Podcast is about finding answers to life’s big questions through weekly interviews with guest speakers. The Shortcast is my ongoing commitment to staying inquisitive and passionate about life with whatever is alive for me each week. Follow the links below to discover what else is on offer.
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Sunday Nov 05, 2023
Sunday Nov 05, 2023
We all have them occasionally, so why do expectations hurt? Because most of the time, they are unrealistic, and we are attached to the outcome.
On the show today, we are exploring expectations, why the hurt when not met and how we can become less attached and free ourselves from the pain.
Today, I was running a 10k race, a real one that would give me an official time. Last year I ran this race About a month after I completed a marathon, and I achieved a time of 50 minutes and one second. it was very frustrating having just tipped over the 50 minutes.
There is a story here, but the long and short is when I booked this race, I had an expectation that I would train hard and reach my goal of a sub 49 minute 10K. But the training did not happen, and there I was at the start line and in my opinion, I was not ready for it.
However, it allowed me to release my expectations. I approached this race with the sense that if I could get under 55 minutes, I would be happy enough, but if I could actually get below 50 minutes, that would be an achievement. Did I achieve it? Actually, I was pleasantly surprised.
The point of this conversation today is that we are looking at expectations and why they trip us up. It is always about an attachment to the outcome. When the target becomes more important than the journey to get there, we make the target really important. That is when we open ourselves to the pain of failure.
The solution is smart goals that are a stretch but will fall back positions.
Check out the podcast and get in touch if you need support with your expectations.
Life Passion & Business Podcast is about finding answers to life’s big questions through weekly interviews with guest speakers. The Shortcast is my ongoing commitment to staying interested and passionate about life with whatever is alive for me each week. Follow the links below to discover what else is on offer.
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Sunday Jun 25, 2023
Sunday Jun 25, 2023
Do you choose your challenge or let life throw them at you? The point is life throws things at us, it’s not meant to be a journey a unicorns and roses there are meant to be ups and downs a life of colour.
This Saturday, at 11 am, I started running in a 100-mile team race, it took us 18 hours I and I ran 28 miles with a few big hills. I thought it would be great, the truth was mixed but still great.
On this show we are looking at how the media is driving the message of fear and how you can build your resilience to rise above it all. Because there is a certain power in taking charge and choosing the challenge.
We had 2 four-person teams and our job was to run 100 miles over a maximum of 24 hours, Running in pairs one from each team, it was about pacing each other and navigation. Th course was mixed terrain and easy to get lost.
I have to say it was brutal I covered 28 miles over the 18 hours it took to complete the course, I got home at 5.30 am this morning made a bacon roll and went to bed.
I have been a zombie all day and it is now late afternoon and I wanted to get this podcast out my six which may not happen.
What did I learn from the experience?
I can do hard things, and the pain passes
I put my needs first and took care of my body, I was clear with my teammate about what I needed. While I did the same for them.
Everyone reacts differently to challenges and when supported people are amazing.
So how can you bring the power of challenge into your life?
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Sunday May 14, 2023
Sunday May 14, 2023
What happens when the story meets reality? Because we can believe whatever we want, but there are times when the vision and the picture do not align.
I had a very visceral example of that on Saturday.
If you have been following me for a while, you know that I have a passion for running. It gives some meaning to my life because, when I run it brings my mind and my body together in one place operating in harmony.
So I’ve been training to run my fastest ever 10K, if you saw my socials or you’re on my list, you’d have heard the story about how I have an unofficial time and what to beat it will and official time.
I did first 10K was back in 2018 at 51:55, I did and unofficial race in 2021 at 48:51 and last year I did a local race at 50:01
Now father time is working against me, I am nearly 60. But I had trained hard, and I had a story in my head where I could get a sub-47-minute time. I had a vision in my head where I could see myself achieving it.
The Story Meets Reality
The Story Meet Reality
But the reality on the day was very different, it was way hotter than I was expecting.
This podcast is my journey through that process. It’s about how we stay focused but at the same time allow for the reality of the situation and take it as information rather than failure.
Because everything we experience is new information to be taken forward for the next experience. So spoiler alert I didn’t make the time I was looking for I got 49:19.
There is a bigger concern. However, for that, you’ll need to listen to the podcast.
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Thursday Mar 30, 2023
Thursday Mar 30, 2023
Wouldn’t it be amazing or WIBA is a phrase coined by Karen Darke and she uses it to dream up adventures and possible outcomes for her life.
As promised on the weekend show, here is the recording with Karen Darke from our 2020 event Reasons and Results. The talk was titled wouldn’t it be amazing and explores Karen’s process with mindsets and motivation.
So who is Karen Darke. A google search will tell your she is a British Adventurer, she is a Paralympic Cyclist, Para-triathlete, Explorer and Author.
In her youth Karen trained as a Geologist and was a crazy mountain climber with no fear of heights. Until at 23 she had a serious fall and was paralysed from the chest down. The path of her life changed at the moment.
While the route was not a straight line it turned her into the adventurer she is today, she has skied, and cycled on all continents and is he proud owner of Gold Medal from the Rio Olympics.
Our conversation explores the path of her Olympic journey and so much more. In the show she is planning an adventure in to Arctic circle and I know she completed that journey over Christmas 2022.
This recording was part of the event Reason and Results
If you would like to work with Karen directly she has a event in May called "Adventure in Possibility" and you can find the details here
Further details about this podcast along with my Guest’s website and social links are all available at:
https://www.lifepassionandbusiness.com/karen-darke-wouldnt-it-be-amazing
Life Passion & Business is dedicated to exploring what it takes to be Extraordinary, to face challenges and rejoice in the opportunities they bring, and expand our vision into new ways of thinking and living.
There is a lot to gain from listening to other people’s stories, however the real work begins by taking action in your own life.
For full details of Events, Resources and Services visit:
www.lifepassionandbusiness.com
Support For Podcasters:
Running a podcast is fun, but it takes time and dedication. Whenever you enjoy a podcast please share your appreciation with comments, likes, shares and reviews. It helps other listeners find good content and supports the content creators and their guests.
Another way you can support the Life Passion & Business podcast is with small donations: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/lifeandpassion
Sunday Nov 06, 2022
Sunday Nov 06, 2022
Are you living beyond? Last week I spoke about how I was limiting myself by dithering over the race this weekend.
I have had a few more thoughts and want to talk to you about living beyond. Because this aspect of limits is a far broader conversation
Limits are everywhere, from society, employers, family and culture. And, of course, reality will give us a quick reminder of our limits far quicker than we can do it for ourselves.
So I encourage you to constantly push the boundaries rather than practice limitations; when we push, it is empowering.
It is about awareness. I know that my life gets smaller when I think smaller and bigger when I think bigger. When we can think outside of physical or mental limits, it is our thinking that moves forward.
With that awareness, we can change how we move forward and start living beyond
Living beyond our limits
In this show, we look at how breathing into a limit makes it a reality and how we might look beyond it and find the resources needed to get through it.
Last week before entering the race, my dithering was that I did not want to prove I am getting older. It was my breathing into being 59 and staring at 60. I left an open question on the podcast: Can I run 10K in under 48 minutes?
Spoiler no, I did not. However, I am ok with that.
In this show, I demonstrate how I used a process to make it possible for me to get through my limiting thoughts around this 10k race. The plan worked, well, sort of. I did not make the 48 minutes. But my race time today was 50 minutes and 1 second. Gutting not to get under 50 minutes.
As I said I am happy with that and it has given me a target to explore in 2023.
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Monday Oct 31, 2022
Monday Oct 31, 2022
Who sets your limits? I was reminded this weekend that I have been setting limits for myself and there really is no need when reality will do that for without my help.
As you know running is a big part of my life and I recently completed a marathon in Inverness not quite in the time that I wanted but very close.
That was nearly a month back and next weekend the running club is organising a 10k and I have been in several minds if I should enter. In truth, I have nothing to lose, outside of a previous personal best that I recorded at this time last year.
So what am I afraid of? My limits, I have trained very differently this year it has all been about endurance. A 10k is all about speed and don’t know what that means for me.
But Saturday was a training session and I was getting some good lap times. So who says I cannot run this race at speed?
That is the point I was limiting myself. What is amazing is that I spoke on this point of limits almost a year ago. So rather than remake the show, I thought to reprise it for you.
As for my 10k the question is can I run faster than 48 minutes, I will let you next week.
In meantime check out the show and consider where you are putting limits on your life.
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Focus Coaching: https://lifepassionandbusiness.com/focus-coaching/
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Sunday Oct 09, 2022
Sunday Oct 09, 2022
Intentions Goals & Plans, last Sunday I completed a goal, I can call myself a Marathon runner.
For me, it was the day I would join a very small club. It used to be that only 1% of humanity would run a marathon, it is possible nearer 2% these days. But still, a very small slice of humanity run that distance. It was an intention that I had set for this year it is done.
I often say I don’t do goals but set intentions and I realise that is not strictly true, it is a trick that I use on myself to get me moving in direction of travel. Because sometimes goals just feel too big.
In this show, we look at my journey and how we can draw from the process
Completing the race was the goal it was more the celebration of 18 weeks of training. During that time I have run 610km, I have got my heart rate down and achieved a level of fitness like never before.
The race was the culmination of a journey in running that started 7 years ago when I first went back to the gym.
A marathon is more than just a run its 26.2 miles, it is a journey of daily running and learning how the body works under extreme conditions. It is as much about nutrition and mindset as it is about running.
Goals & Plans
My marathon went to plan for the first 17 miles up until the big hill, I was ready for it but what I was not expecting was what happened on the other side.
Pain and raw emotion.
Despite the pain and waves of emotion, I committed to run the last 1k and made it over the line in 4.35 to be greeted by friends and family. It was so good to get it done.
If there was one success factor that made all the difference, it was that I had a tried and tested plan and I followed it every day for 18 weeks.
Life Passion & Business Podcast is about finding answers to life's big questions through weekly interviews with guest speakers. The Shortcast is my ongoing commitment to staying interested and passionate about life with whatever is alive for me each week. Follow the links below to discover what else is on offer
The Five Questions eBook: https://lifepassionandbusiness.com/the-five-questions
Focus Coaching: https://lifepassionandbusiness.com/focus-coaching/
Support The Podcast:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/lifeandpassion
Midlife Survey: https://lifepassionandbusiness.com/midlife-challenge/
Wednesday Jan 12, 2022
Wednesday Jan 12, 2022
When Dai Manuel first introduced himself to me, he said he was a purveyor of happiness. He certainly comes across that way now but, as with all of my guests there is a journey to be discovered.
Our conversation is about transition, it's about change, it's about living with difficult feelings and addictive behavior. We are talking about food, drink and drugs, and Dai did it all. He understands what it means to be a man seeking balance between health and connection.
For example, one of the issues many men face is how to seek connection with others without falling into unhealthy habits. For example, what do you do when the pub is where you meet your mates but alcohol addiction is a problem?
Dai is well aware of these pitfalls and opens doors for other men who face similar issues. This is the story of a man coming to terms with who he is and who he wants to be. Who knows what it takes to fully live and connect with others without pretense.
Dai has taken his life experiences and turned them into a tool to support others and models his work on five F's:
Fitness, Family, Faith, Finances and Fun.
I hope you enjoy this conversation with Dai Manuel.
Further details about this podcast along with Dai’s website and social links are all available at:
http://www.lifepassionandbusiness.com/dai-manuel-breaking-habits
Life Passion & Business is dedicated to exploring what it takes to be Extraordinary, to face challenges and rejoice in the opportunities they bring, and expand our vision into new ways of thinking and living.
There is a lot to gain from listening to other people’s stories, however the real work begins by taking action in your own life.
For full details of Events, Resources and Services visit:
www.lifepassionandbusiness.com
Support For Podcasters:
Running a podcast is fun, but it takes time and dedication. Whenever you enjoy a podcast please share your appreciation with comments, likes, shares and reviews. It helps other listeners find good content and supports the content creators and their guests.
Another way you can support the Life Passion & Business podcast is with small donations: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/lifeandpassion
Wednesday Sep 08, 2021
Wednesday Sep 08, 2021
At 16 Rich Morley was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, by 30 he was medically retired and living on benefits, today he is fully recovered and supporting others to turn their own lives around. How did he do it? Through the healing power of Tai chi.
This remarkable story is a lesson in never giving up, even when the medical profession has given up on you. It is about discovering what is possible beyond medical intervention. And it is about harnessing the power of belief to turn your life around.
As our conversation unfold you will gain an insight into the history and power of Tai chi both as an aid to healing and as a martial art practice.
If you would like more information about Rich Morley you will find access to his website and social links along with my full text for this podcast at:
www.lifepassionandbusiness.com/rich-morley-the-healing-power-of-tai-chi
Life Passion & Business is dedicated to exploring what it takes to be Extraordinary, to face challenges and rejoice in the opportunities they bring, and expand our vision into new ways of thinking and living.
There is a lot to gain from listening to other people’s stories, however the real work begins by taking action in your own life.
For full details of Events, Resources and Services visit:
www.lifepassionandbusiness.com
Support For Podcasters:
Running a podcast is fun, but it takes time and dedication. Whenever you enjoy a podcast please share your appreciation with comments, likes, shares and reviews. It helps other listeners find good content and supports the content creators and their guests.
Another way you can support the Life Passion & Business podcast is with small donations: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/lifeandpassion
Sunday May 30, 2021
Sunday May 30, 2021
If you follow the podcast, you may be aware of my return to exercise in my 50’s and how I use it as a measure of moving beyond personal limits. This week is a celebration of my most recent running achievement and a reflection on how a lot of the limits we impose are self created, and therefore unreal.
Life Passion & Business Podcast is about finding answers to life’s big questions through weekly interview with guest speakers. The Shortcast is my ongoing commitment to staying inquisitive and passionate about life with whatever is alive for me each week. Follow the links below to discover what else is on offer.
Events and Resources: www.lifepassionandbusiness.com
The Five Questions eBook: https://lifepassionandbusiness.com/the-five-questions
Support The Podcast:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/lifeandpassion
Audience Survey: https://lifepassionandbusiness.com/audience-survey/
Wednesday Mar 17, 2021
Wednesday Mar 17, 2021
My guest on the show is Marques Ogden, NFL Player, Entrepreneur, and in different times Keynote Speaker.
Marques had some excellent family role models in his early years and was brought up to believe anything is possible. In high school, a visiting NFL football player inspired him to work towards a dream.
Scroll down for contact details and/or links regarding this Podcast
It was his dedication to focus and hard work that won him a scholarship and a place at Howard University in Washington DC. He graduated with a Bachelor of Science in Finance, with an emphasis on construction and cost accounting.
But more than that, he was the first and only young man to be drafted (while at college) to the National Football League with the Jacksonville Jaguars, playing offensive lineman. The average NFL player gets 18-24 months at the professional level. Marques stayed at the professional level for 6 years, building a solid career with the Jaguars, the Baltimore Ravens, the Buffalo Bills, and the Tennessee Titans
As said, he played well beyond the average, but the body can only take so much before the injuries get serious. At 27 he hung up the helmet and padding and went to find a life as an entrepreneur.
Along with his dedication to hard work and focus, this is when the degree in construction paid off. It allowed him and his business partner to create one of the fastest-growing companies in Baltimore, Maryland, for 2010. However, rapid growth can lead to a significant fall, and that fall was deep.
Within 3 years he lost everything. His home, cars and his pride.
“I was a Millionaire in April 2012 by April 2013
I had just $400 to my name. and that was it. ”
Taking Any Job He Could Get
Playing with the NFL, Marques was on $20,000 a week; after lots of searching, the only work he could find was a custodian on the graveyard shift at $8.25/ hour.
Our conversation is the journey of his highs and lows. It takes time and dedication to get back on track and this is a beautiful story of financial rediscovery and contribution.
Today Marques has a mission to inspire accountably within people so they discover the passion and drive to get on and achieve greatness.
He is currently a Keynote Speaker, Executive Coach, Best-selling Author and Marketing Leader, helping to build others’ success.
I hope you enjoy the conversation with Marques Ogden.
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